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Observations, FWIW. #1:The potato experiment yielded interesting results. 3/4 of a medium red potato (as hash browns) put my total daily carbs for that day at just over 30 grams. Still considered very low carb intake, and didn't bump me out of ketosis. It also quelled cravings that had started to surface, and didn't induce any new ones. And as others have reported, wasn't as delicious as I remembered/anticipated. It did, however, cause a bump up in my weight of 2.5 lbs over the next 2 days. All other variables in my diet/IF remained the same, so I can only surmise that not only do the number of carbs count, but the *source* of carbs does, as well. I know a lot of the added weight was water retention, because my feet and ankles have been swollen since then. I'll have to play with bumping up carbs with leafy greens to see if I get the same effect. #2: Hunger has not really been an issue for a couple of months now, and I have mostly been maintaining a 23:1 IF. So, after revisiting some Dr.Fung videos on the benefits of longer fasts, night before last I decided that starting yesterday morning, I would do at least a 48 hour fast. My stomach started rumbling about an hour after I woke up, and continued all day. I drank 3 times as much water as usual, but it persisted. Finally, after 28 hours, I had a headache, and the hunger was persistent, so I decided to break it. The observation/question here is, was it the fact that I had pre-determined that I would intentionally fast the subconscious trigger for the hunger signals? How much of our body chemistry is actually conditioned response? Today, I'm going to play with some EFT to see if I can elicit a different paradigm. #3: After all the water yesterday, and not paying enough attention to electrolytes, I woke up with a rock hard muscle cramp in my calf this morning. Ooops! #4: If there is any doubt in anyone's mind about the CICO belief, I'm living proof that it's not that simple. I've maintained a deep calorie deficit for several months, and the weight is falling, but at a snail's pace, in spite of increased activity. I'm having fun with this living laboratory, and will continue. Comments welcome! Have a great Thursday, FS friends! ~Kes Here's the link that is mentioned in the comments: https://youtu.be/tIuj-oMN-Fk
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Tot nu toe verloren: 8,9 kg.
Nog te gaan: 13,8 kg.
Dieet gevolgd: Redelijk Goed.
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Ontbijt: Butter (Salted), Great Value Sliced Swiss Cheese, Fried Egg, Pyure Stevia Sweetener, Coffee (Brewed From Grounds), Half and Half Cream. Lunch: Great Value Sliced Swiss Cheese. Diner: Walnuts. meer...
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Yes the body works in funny ways. All the info you get from your body may be different with someone else doing the same thing.
21 jul 16 door lid: Suzi161
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My weight finally released once I started eating at my RDI and only did minimal exercise. Yes, it was slow, but hasn't bounced back up. I love being my own experiment :) You are doing awesome mskestrela :)
21 jul 16 door lid: Sugar Waffle
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The lessons learned are more valuable the the small bump in weight. CICO is a flawed concept, it's a lot more complicated than merely calories, I know some people want to slam the door after proclaiming that calorie is king, too bad they didn't notice their pants leg stuck in the door frame.
21 jul 16 door lid: 1point21gigawatts
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Thanks, Sugar! Do you mean that you upped your intake to meet RDI, or reduced it to RDI? My issue has been eating enough calories in a day..usually I'm way under the RDI. I finally figured out that my set point is between 1200-1400, and most days I'm between 800-1000. I've seen references about eating more actually helps lose faster, but the math doesn't add up, especially on Keto.
21 jul 16 door lid: mskestrela
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I agree, Phil! Jason Fung had an interesting blog post today with a review of a paper about just that.
21 jul 16 door lid: mskestrela
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Of course it is more complicated than calories in, calories out. It's the need to be content with less food and that's why a carb count (low carb diet) works for me. I don't do fasting, but I suppose that works for some.
21 jul 16 door lid: UnclePen
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Been having a rough time with fasting longer than 24 hours. Most likely related to that mess of sugar and GMOs I ate at work some time back. Thanks for sharing your experiments. I find them fascinating.
21 jul 16 door lid: LadyinDenim
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upped to the RDI, and upped the vegetable carbs
21 jul 16 door lid: Sugar Waffle
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Thanks for sharing your experience, really good info and interesting stuff. Love hearing about what works and doesn't work for people, and how flexible we need to be to make it work for us as individuals. :)
21 jul 16 door lid: newmooney
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I take three or four magnesium tablets at night and seldom get the muscle cramps.
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@UnclePen, less food is sort of one of my problems. It turns out that I've been eating a VLCD for about 10-15 years, which has slowed my metabolism drastically. I'm using LCHF and fasting in an effort to repair/retrain it.
@Sugar, thanks for clarifying. I think that's next on my list of things to try.
@Newmooney, I'm glad to share. I've learned so much from others here!
@HCB, what kind of Mag tabs do you use?
21 jul 16 door lid: mskestrela
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Hah - I hear you about the possibility of psychological hunger when you plan something different. I've scheduled a very low calorie breakfast so I can have a bigger lunch and I woke up hungry. And the hunger persists. Delaying the breakfast as long as I can... I too enjoy reading about your experiments.
21 jul 16 door lid: trackin64
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Thanks, Trackin and April!
21 jul 16 door lid: mskestrela
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21 jul 16 door lid: Sarah1950
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I love learning from you. Dr. Fung mentioned drinking mineral water for the tummy rumbles. I don't know why that might work but it might be worth a try. Today I'm doing a little more than a 24 hr. fast because I want to combat the effect of that corn syrup. My body really does seem really sensitive to the smallest amount of sugar, etc.
21 jul 16 door lid: PhillySue
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It's funny you mention the mineral water, Sue! I just finished responding to a PM about fasting, and I told her that mineral water does seem to quiet the rumbles. And I hadn't even seen that Dr. Fung has said that! LOL! One reason that I decided to break my fast yesterday was that I drank a tall glass of mineral water, and it didn't make the rumbles stop. I'm really sorry you got that unexpected dose of corn syrup. Blech! Flush it out with lots of water!
21 jul 16 door lid: mskestrela
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Yeah, that's what I'm doing. Labels, labels, labels. Funny though, I never in my life thought I become this food/health conscious. When you finally realize you're killing yourself I guess you wake up. It hit me especially hard at last because I realized that 5 hears ago I went through chemo and radiation and now I was doing myself in with food. How crazy is that!
21 jul 16 door lid: PhillySue
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@Mskestrela sorry for butting in here and it is not my intent to offend anyone here in any way, but I saw your ? re magnesium and I had a few free minutes. After researching the mag++ a couple yrs ago, I read from an independent MD site that the following form of magnesium has best bioavailability for the body. You may check it out to decide if right for you (I respect that particular MD opinion), I found that Magnesium Malate by Source Naturals, in the 360 tables @ around 21 dollars is best deal and so far, all their products are of pretty good quality. I take 2 a day because I too was having the muscle cramps, but at night, as opposed to taking the 3 tabs recommended on the label. We're all different tho. Not affiliated with Source Naturals, but prior to that, I'd learned that ~90% of people are quite deficient in Magnesium, leading to the cramps. So frustrating to not be able to rest at night as we need to. I hope this helps answer your question. I am not a doctor and I am only telling you what works for me and this is not medical advice. PS: psychological hunger is real and food can act like a drug. Let food be thy medicine, and medicine be thy food. Hippocrates. PEACE, and keep onto the narrow path to good health. You can do it.
21 jul 16 door lid: IzeIZAwake
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@HCB, I wish I could tick a "like" button. It's not here on FS, yet.
21 jul 16 door lid: IzeIZAwake
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@IzelZ, I appreciate your input, and agree. In fact, I asked at the drugstore just yesterday for Mg Malate, and was told I'd have to go to a "vitamin store" by the pharmacist, no less. LOL! I soak my feet regularly in Epsom salts, and Mg is readily absorbed through the skin, but I think I may have to also take regular baths in it. Time to fire up the round, pink Jacuzzi tub in my bathroom. LOL
21 jul 16 door lid: mskestrela
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